I also decided that maybe being a Beta tester for the “latest and the greatest” wasn’t such a good idea when it came to anything mechanical (or electronic). SOLD Manufacturer: S/N PF02897 Caliber Info: 9mm Metal Condition: Good With Abrasions And Small Scratches Wood Condition: Good Bore Condition: Good Barrels: 4.5 Triggers: Factory Stock: Rubber Colt Grips Weight: 29oz Sights: Front And Rear White Dot Sights Item Location: … Green = Rising block It could be revisited, but now seem to be kind of late. The only thing that remains unclear is this: was a derailment of Colt 2000 costly project an orchestrated action that targeted its maker, an old American company that served this nation and its armed forces well for over 100 years? 2. Designed as a duty and defensive pistol for military officers. Standard A2 flash hider, round ribbed polymer handguard, integral carryhandle sights, with front sight adjustable for elevation and rear adjustable for windage. Result is longer travel without and shorter travel with pre-cock. Could be relatively prominent, for easy engagement. The size of the pistol increases, put you could use a more conventional .44 auto cartridge to “explain” this, based on a shortened .44 auto mag round – .44 special type power say. If a crazed WW2 Japanese hold-out armed with a Type 94 and a katana came across some opium smuggler who was dumb enough to get a Colt All-American 2000 and who was willing to kill anyone who saw what he was doing, who would win in a close-quarters struggle? I love pistol caliber carbines. The Colt 200 vs the Rem R51 is a good case example. It is an aesthetically-pleasing gun. What this has to do with the present subject is that as long as the round itself packs sufficient power and does not overpenetrate, its exact bullet diameter seems to be largely a non-issue. (See; Thomas .45, Star PD, etc. Guns International Advertising Policy GunsInternational.com is the #1 Gun Classified website that brings gun buyers and gun brokers or sellers together through classifed advertising of guns, gun related items and services for sale online. You can buy Colt 9mm online with confidence at the best price on our website. Colt M16A1 Retro Reissue $2499.00. Shop All. Design details. And probably still don’t. You said the R51 wouldn’t work right because 9mm is a high pressure cartridge unlike say a .45acp are you sticking by your assertion old bean? Works for me — especially as the 9mm SUB-2000 is about as punishing as a Tempurpedic pillow fight with a Xanax-addled opponent. And the grip safety could have a more prominent rubber protruding part on it, shaped to fit the hand appropriately for a more positive engagement. Colt Defender 9mm Sub-Compact 1911 Review. All in all, the game has changed for the industry, but I think the new marketplace for firearms innovation is all for the benefit of shooters and collectors. I recall reading in a book on Sterling firearms that when they got a licence to produce AR18s, their engineers thought they could improve the design in a few areas. Colt needed engineers who knew when to leave well enough alone, as opposed to engaging in St.Etienne-style private empire-building. Done it, Pedersen action, actuated by a wheel “not the best picture” but I reckon it works, not sure what the point of it would be, might be smoother. If Beretta is successful with similar design, why not Colt? I think the breakage was not the gun’s fault. (A 6″ King Cobra is another of my lusts.). Their biggest mistake? Speaking of such, has Remington restarted the R51 production yet given it’s nearly November. A nice pointy bayonet should impress the unimpressed customers, you can just say sorry we wanted to do this all along that’s why we recalled them, whistle, hum dee dum, dah, look at the pointy’ness. Night Cobra $899.00. Aye they do have that problem I suppose, given it’s target market might be carrying it ready to draw like a Cowboy type thing, in which case you’d want to pretty sure it worked. Of the three, the .45 is the least prone to overpenetration, and all benefit from expanding bullets, not so much for increased wounding effect than to ensure that they don’t overpenetrate and waste their foot-pounds on something other than the intended target. A DA trigger with short reset may seem hard to achieve through usual mechanisms but, there is a Montenegrin pistol carrying these features branded “Tara” designed by Vladimir Georgiev Peev. If Colt were smart (yes, that’s a stretch) they’d relaunch it in the original Stoner/Knight form. One reason Magnum revolvers are both successful and generally reasonably priced is that other than chambering and heat-treatment, they aren’t really appreciably different from non-Magnum wheelguns. The suggested retail for the Colt Competition pistol in stainless steel is $999 but I’m seeing online prices hovering around $850. Colt’s had a recall on the AA2000 to replace the trigger mechanism and also changed the mag followers to fix feeding problems. Two wee circular cylinders into the slide cut outs which engage those in the bolt. They never came up with a practical hi-capacity pistol. (Example; Detonics Pocket Nine, that failed because of cost, not technical problems; they really couldn’t afford to make it for what they could expect to sell it for.). I am not aware of any technical flaws of this fire-arm however it was never popular due to its high-price. “You said the R51 wouldn’t work right because 9mm is a high pressure cartridge” The pre-cocking idea does not need to be irreversible. That’s a pretty good price for a genuine Colt that’s mostly “good to go” out of the box or can be used as a basis for creating your own version of a custom 1911 pistol. Put a cut out in the frame forward of the chamber, for a U shaped “washer” this would fit around the barrel and sit in said cut out. I was not impressed with the reviews or the way the gun handled. The lauding by “paid for print media” became apparent with R51 seemingly, hence why I mention it. By 2019, field officers and vehicle crews were given the option of the AMT 2000 or the Alpha-Omega 10mm … Their DA full-bore auto, the Double Eagle, was a dog. The two main of its glitches are: the trigger pull (14 lb) that I assume was Colt’s attorneys’ contribution to the design, and the return-spring assembly whose polymer core is not meant for a long life – probably an idea of “cost-reduction” mentality of some the Colt’s smart a**es. In fact, the two guns are so closely related that the only major differences are the fact that 6920 is a semi-automatic rifle built for civilian use, whereas the M4 is … The moral of the story must be that if you have a gun designed by Gene Stoner, what makes you think you know better than him how to make his guns? My question: out of Colt, SW, Remington, SA, Kimber, DW, how would you list them from top to bottom if you could spend up to $2000. It was due to the owners beating them with a hammer during a fit of blind rage. Drat, you need the ledge… Here’s a video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IszzvytiDyY. Because that is what provides the initial hesitation surely, resistance to blowback. Just look at many DA-SA pistols, how ridiculously forward are their triggers. Shop All. But Colt was noted for a series of very bad management decisions in the 1980s and 90s. Amazing how the internet has changed the speed at which poorly executed gun designs are ferreted. Colt lost all of my business for a couple of decades due to that incident (the LE 6920 redeemed them, slightly). That turned out to be quite the canine. Execution of the design in mass production is the real hurdle. Colt All-American 2000 (Disassembly and Shooting) - YouTube I was young and just getting started in life an liked a lot more guns than I could afford at the time, so this was a major purchase for me that would allow me to retire (i.e. Yeah, for sure! In addition, in state of pre-cock there is not enough energy in striker to cause initiation in case of skip. It does the job. – Mounting of front sight to barrel (additional loss of accuracy with wear) This is the This forces the wheel to rotate in so doing the firing pin lowers the bolt into it’s original position, when the wheel is horizontal the bolt will be in it’s original position, with it’s lug forward of it’s stop on the frame. As in “Dilbert’s Pointy-Haired Boss and Bald Uber-Boss”-level bad. And oh yes, they marketed the Anaconda .44 Magnum with remarkably small combat-type grips more appropriate for a concealed-carry piece. If you have missed out on this auction or are looking for a particular firearm—contact us. The slide continues rearward independently of the bolt, the block riding along the bolts lug section underneath the barrel extension. And I don’t mean a rubbish wee bayonet, I mean an M16 bayonet, which you get FREE, yes, FREE, you like Remington again now don’t you. I own one, I am the 2nd owner, I never received the safety recall. And the “stopping power” of the individual round tends to make up for their low capacity. The wheels cam, contacts it’s lug on the frame which causes the wheel to rotate as the side is pushing it rearward. 1. It will not be an “economy” item. Quote : heavily dependent on a small number of major advertisers, ” This Colt 2000 will also come with its signorina box. So here’s the deal, the Colt LE6920 is the brother of the military’s M4, which is a time-tested and battle-proven gun. @#$%^&* instructions… I bet there aren’t many of those still in private hands. Please consider, interesting behind-the-scenes experience of the American Rifleman review of the gun, much more recent example of the Remington R51, Fallschirmjäger Style: SMG’s Semiauto 1st Pattern FG-42, Book Review: Ott-Helmuth von Lossnitzer, Technical Director of the Mauser Company 1933-1945, http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/foghorn/remington-engineers-r51-launched-objections/. One of the recurring claims was a claim that Colt 2000’s locking mechanism was similar to Steyr’s design of 1912 – hardly a proof of a lack of originality taking into account that virtually all components (trigger, magazine barrel, slide, striker, extractor, etc.) They come up on GunBroker all the time for short money, in all their various permutations. Dovetail sight. Yes, they work, but no, they generally can’t be profitably marketed because it costs more to build them than they can reasonably be sold for. There was a recall on the Anaconda, too, for safety reasons; I sent mine back, and they did something to it that pretty much ruined the trigger pull. The All-American 2000 was Colt's attempt to break into the polymer high-cap pistol market in the early 1990s, when Glock was dominating that field. Unfortunately, many gun owners seem to not be very good at that, and then they are quick to blame the gun for lacking “accuracy”. The Colt AMT Model 2000, shortened to Colt AMT 2000 or M-2000, is a very heavy autopistol.. Colt XM177E2 Retro Carbine $2599.00. I’ve long suspected that Colt fell victim to the same theory as S&W; that is, “As long as we have government contracts, we don’t need the civilian market”. Didn’t turn out too well. Usually, free market reliably separates good products from bad ones, but sometimes it is not the case, particularly, if (prospective) buyers are influenced by some of those who ascribed to themselves the right to authoritatively trash the items that they don’t like. I don’t recall saying anything about the R51 other than I thought it looked neat. Though expensive, it is worth every penny. That trigger pull looks long enough to cock a hammer, could have a P7 type lark, have the long trigger pull cock the hammer, then reset, or set rather for single action, it could double as a de-cocker when you remove the magazine say. As with most of Stoner’s work, the original concept works “as is”, but rarely survives much fiddling by others seeking to make it fit their preconceptions of how it should work. What were the exact Colt changes that ruined the thing? This one could be the answer to that. Technical Specifications PRODUCT NAME 2000 CALIBER 9x19 mm ACTION SA / DA CAPACITY 17+1 BARREL LENGTH 4.5" - 116 mm OVERALL LENGTH 8.0" - 203 mm OVERALL HEIGHT 5.5" - 140 mm OVERALL WIDTH 1.4" - 38 mm OVERALL WEIGHT 35.6 oz - 1010 gr Full-sized Magnum-caliber automatics seem to have the same problem. I bought one in 9mm used in 1991. We may never know for sure. Gene Stoner killed that idea. Shame, as I thought the R51 looked quite neat. “Remington’s own engineers objected to launching the R51, but Remington’s top brass decided to go into full production anyway.”. They decided to get out of the DA revolver business just as interest in compact DA .357s for CCW came along. A “full” double-action-only has the same advantage as a conventional Walther-type DA on a P.38, M9, etc., that being that in event of a dud, you can pull the trigger to hit it again, which often sets it off. Enjoy what you read on Forgotten Weapons? There were probably other issues as well. Ditching first the Trooper, and the Lawman, and then the King Cobra. The front of the barrel would widen further slightly, and the slide would stop behind this widest point. I heard many years ago from insiders at Colt’s that Reed Knight got a substantial portion of the machine guns from the Colt archives as payment for the AA2000 design. OUT OF STOCK. The barrel would stop via it’s lug engaging a cut out in the frame, might work. The Springfield EMP4 is the ONLY 9mm 1911 which was designed, engineered, and built with ALL newly speced and manufactured parts, designed specifically for the 9mm caliber. About 400-450 FPE each, and low enough velocity that they hit, went in, and stopped, delivering their full KE payload to whatever you were shooting at. all what Mr. Vladimir did. Description: NEW IN BOX The Colt 2000 or All American 2000 is a polymer or aluminum-alloy framed, locked-breech, rotary bolt, semiautomatic 9 mm handgun with a magazine capacity of 15 rounds. The seats aren't very comfortable and we find the Colt to be very cramped and claustrophobic inside, though the interior is well built. Mine was actually painful to shoot, which was why I finally sold it. Dark blue = Barrel A set of the old Python square-butt grips with the wide shoulder would have done wonders for that one. Sarsilmaz Kilinc 2000 Mega 9mm Pistol Review 0. – Extended barrel and barrel bushing (leading to loss of accuracy and reliability with wear) http://www.forgottenweapons.comTheme music by Dylan Benson - http://dbproductioncompany.webs.comThe All-American 2000 was Colt's attempt to break into the polymer high-cap pistol market in the early 1990s, when Glock was dominating that field. And they definitely needed management who understood their market, which they clearly did not. Pale blue = Illustrative of internal cut outs, for parts shown. I quite like the look of the R51 incidentally, you could make the Pedersen action smoother perhaps by having cut outs in the slide which correspond with those in the bolt then fit rollers ie. A blowback design, and maybe it simply can’t”. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The cartridge pushes the bolt into the “risen” block as it exits the chamber, and the slide continues rearward, cartridge ejects when it’s rearward motion is complete. He said his designs worked as he designed them, but they were not to be tweaked around. Now, does anyone know the weight of the Swiss guns bolt, and it’s spring resistance measurements? Remington are in trouble if your right, two free magazines and a Pelican case aside. 3478 Views. Hmmm, I can see an issue… The slide moving before the barrel. No complaints. But if a 9mm isn’t like a .45acp, that is were the problem is, if you follow me. Menu About me; Experience; Certification; Log in; Contact Given the miserable on-line reviews and horrible failiure to feed, reliably function or extract the only way Remmington could persuade people to use it as a CCW is if they provided each customer with an ex-SF bodyguard carrying an M16 and a couple of frags. This pistol gets deserved attention, at least on FW. Do it that way, and market it as the modern version of the Colt Model 1903 Pocket Model. In other words it would be locked, properly locked, allowing the case to expand properly in the chamber. The frame, barrel and slide are constructed from stainless steel with a brushed satin finish. Colt took what appears to have been a pretty good pistol designed by Eugene Stoner and Reed Knight and made some pretty terrible decisions when adapting it for mass production - and the result was a huge failure. The .357 125-grain JHP seems to be the best overall “stopper”, not because it is the “most powerful”, but because it rarely exits and thus dumps all of its 500 FPE or so in the target, as opposed to the .44 Magnum which tends to blow through and expend a good bit of its 750 FPE or so on the landscape behind the target. Reportedly there were about 1000 aluminum frame pistols made. I wonder if the Swiss gun, being a SMG had a heavier bolt/spring, than the R51. So the mechanism might well be worth using, if the guns can be made cheaply by it. Don’t change it to a pre-cock like a Glock, though. The searage is similar in concept, if not necessarily mechanical layout, to the Manufrance “Le Francais” blowback autos in calibers ranging from .25 ACP to 9mm Browning Long (9x20SR). Have to tweak it he he, chamber ring delay possibly… Not sure. We use cookies to give you the best possible experience on our website. And to me, it made sense… In terms of the Pedersen locks functioning, it worked in .380 that’s a fact, but with a slide which was no lighter than a blowback version… But the .45acp slide was lighter than say a 1911’s, thus it must be something to do with that cartridge being less quick to exit the chamber and jolt into the locking recess… The bolt and slide move back together, so it’s there shared mass etc the momentum of the case initially must overcome as per a blowback. The link above is defunct, my final version and corresponding blurb is to be found in the link below he he. At the time Colt was strapped for cash and was willing to trade off assets for the potential revenue a new pistol product could generate. OUT OF STOCK. On pistols having DA/SA trigger, the second strike capability is performed through a DA pull and usually with weaker force than the first one that should be on SA mode carrying more impact force, therefore giving a weaker chance for detonation. Beginning with the criticism of the originality of its design (mainly focused on the rotating – as opposed to dropping – barrel that greatly contributed to pistols excellent accuracy and low recoil), and ending with calling it ugly (by Massad Ayoob) despite its pleasing aesthetic appearance (compare it to Glock to see for yourself how absurd M. Ayoob’s assessment was), they delivered the last nail into coffin of this remarkable project. Period. During the Great Chinese Yard sale of the early 90s I remember seeing a few 7.62×25 1911s that came out of the storerooms. Giving the case the actual capacity of a 9mm Luger, therefore the expanding part of the case would still be chambered while being blown out of the chamber and so actuating the slide and thus the Pedersen lock. Java and open source. This handgun is in excellent condition with an excellent bore and finish. Colt was couple times ‘inventive’ and almost lost its shirt. i have not bought a colt product since…*. In a sense, one can see some of these new designs as cheap versions of Colt’s. Colt 2000 ~ 9mm Description: This Colt 2000 comes with its factory box and two magazines. But expect it to sell for about the price of a full-sized 1911 (adjusted for inflation, of course). On a positive note, the old Glock 17L and Beretta 92 are still going bang after all these years. The Colt has great handling, steering and gearbox, but has a very hard uncomfortable ride. looking at the trigger and its travel I tend to think that it is not that unusual. This is a 1993 Colt All American 2000 Blue 9mm *RARE: ONLY MADE FOR 2 YEARS! That’s in line with my thinking. The bolts travel however is arrested by its lug contacting the frame stop a short distance from it’s original position behind the magazine. You could fit a bayonet over the protruding barrel, which would lock into a section attached to the front of the trigger guard. He he…. And trying to shoehorn .45ACP into a platform that size rarely works. Problem being that the Super magazine isn’t very reliable with 7.62; seem to remember reading “Well, it works if you don’t load more than 5 rounds….” But the 7.62×25 is a neat round and I’d love to see someone crank up a working run of mags and introduce a modern hollowpoint loading for a nice flat-shooting 1911. I’m going to lose that moving barrel, go back to a fixed one. That would make sense would it. of modern semi-autos were invented quite some time ago; e.g., one could criticize Glock’s use of polymer as nothing new because polymer was widely used for decades in toy guns; or one could criticize Sig as not being original for using a dropping barrel locking mechanism that Browning invented more than 100 years ago; etc.
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